In Denmark, you would never see things like this.
The dog on the Minister’s Facebook page.
It’s cute, fun and all, but aren’t you afraid that people won’t take it serious?
Yeah, but it’s a dog.
Would you like it to not be like this?
Can we take the picture?
We also have something for you from Denmark.
Because it’s something the Danish really like. It’s a licorice. They call it salty fish.
I don’t know if you like them or not.
I love them and I like a lot of things, too. It’s in every store.
When you go to the cinema to mix candy, they’re always there. It’s a really essential candy.
That’s fine, but could we get it before 10 days, if we want to write something?
That’s fine.
Yes.
We did a report, foreign policy last month where we look at all the countries that we could identify globally that have copied, more or less copied, the German initiative, which includes Russia, Singapore, and countries like that.
9 out of these 13 mentioned NetzDG explicitly. Then obviously they used them for different purposes, broader purposes. It’s always good to be able to point to Germany and say…
If they can do it.
…”if Merkel can do it, why can’t we.”
Yeah.
More or less some of the same topics.
Of course, my focus is more on the what we call traditional security, the geopolitics of it, but of course these things place into it as well, especially and when you talk cross-strait relations.
The specific project that I work on as part of so with this delegation is more on how the worsening relationship between the US, China are debated and playing into domestic politics in Taiwan, and of course specifically this election coming up, so how the whole US-China great power competition, rivalry is playing into that.
Who makes this monitor again?
You’re also free on Freedom House’s freedom of the press and freedom…
It’s an aggregate of all these?
Fun.
You rename yourself sometimes as minister of memes?
Does that mean you have plans to go down the NetzDG road is shelved, that’s not seen as a viable alternative? You see this as a better alternative, which is more efficient and more in line with your democratic and open values?
Who runs the Fact Check Center? Is that also an NGO or is it government?
You found that social sanctions…
…like the people would react to…
Do you experience that people do that?
That’s Freddy Lim?
Does it say Freddy Lim is a good musician or not?
Isn’t he also a playing…He’s also a band player, isn’t he?
It’s a joke.
Just here to make sure a complete understanding, who does what in this, the g0v…
G0v, they compile it…
…but Facebook as delivered the how many…
That’s very new, right? The ad library is only half a year old or something.
How new is that? Did Facebook do this for 2018, for the local election?
This is the first election?
What do you mean by social sanctions?
Don’t you think that would be possible to do with disinformation as well, to put emphasis on social sanctions and not on law and legal sanctions, speaking about NetzDG?
Don’t you think that another governments have reacted too quickly? That I agree with your line of reasoning that you have to establish norms, and we are only in the beginning of establishing norms here.
People to seem to panic, and they want to enforce new laws very quickly without acknowledging that it takes time to establish new norms. They do it the other way around, where there are a lot of unintended consequences.
The other thing is scale. Do you really think it’s possible, with an NetzDG, to moderate content on scale without exercising real censorship, because you will have to take down by AI so much without considering the context?
In Germany.
Do you already do that?
