For example, when we legalize marriage equality, one side said same-sex people should enjoy the same rights and duties. The other says that the lineage, family, relationship, kinship should not be disrupted. And then we brought them together, plate against plate, like collision. But in the kind of geothermal democracy, they co-create a new idea so that same-sex couple in Taiwan enjoy the same rights and duties, but their family don't form kinship.