Graeme Muller

No, it’s a shame that you need that to… But the reality is… and plus we’re small, I guess, but the reality is we’re so interconnected in the world, right? So, it’s just from a cyber perspective. We have the Russian embassy constantly creating misinformation in New Zealand, into the New Zealand media. And it’s not seen as a sort of a cyber issue, it’s kind of a political issue.

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