I can send you the white paper. I think you’d be interested in the white paper. Also, we’ve been doing that, because I think the greatest barrier we’ve seen is that, even expert in these ideas and funds are themselves not really talking to each other, or have not got the narrative right.

When you go and speak to funders or policymakers, if you have not got your story right, it’s very difficult to move forward. I think roughly it’s the idea, I’ll send you the white paper and the deck. It would be really great to hear your input, or just your thoughts.

I think what we notice is genuinely, because it’s a quite complex narrative, it’s basically being able to tell the narrative quite shortly and succinctly. [non-English speech] , because I think I have a curiosity if you believe Taiwan, would be a type of country. You would be interested in...

We have it.

I think it’s on Keynote.

Oh, OK.

Because information has this nature of unlimited replicates.

Yes, we’ve seen it.

I think we have very few opportunities to meet each other, and I think you both are great minds and also with technical understanding of how these work. But I think one thing that is most invaluable is share a vision. How you get to that vision, everybody will find their own path. Both Rufus and you have, at heart, something very core and similar.

For me, this meeting is more about sharing vision, understanding each other’s vision, to then see, how can both, together, support or contribute to that vision.

11:25 I think?

11:30.

Just one quick thing. There’s that leadership program. We’re running a leadership program.

If there’s anybody that you recommend, that you think...

If we didn’t have...

Come, please come.

This Saturday.

Yeah, that’s our website.

Great fan of your work. [laughs]

We’ll be in Taiwan probably...

Thank you.