And she sent a letter and she said, “Just so you know, I have a new address. Please mail The Atlantic to my home in Taiwan.”

I want to ask one last question that I ask all of the guests on this show. What would it take for you to be convinced that AI is conscious or self-aware?

That is an amazing answer. So, instead of defaulting to philosophy, you are saying that democracy should choose when something has reached a level of consciousness.

We have to have a discussion beforehand on what consciousness means.

Thank you so much, Audrey. It has been fabulous to talk with you.