Great acronym. How did that play out, exactly? Were there overlapping areas in your work?

You’re co-chairing this Thursday afternoon meeting, I guess?

Can you tell me more about the coronavirus science and technology workforce? Who’s a member of it, how does it work, and what do you do?

Mask rationing, as well?

Is that also a national team? President Tsai mentioned that yesterday. Do you consider yourself to be the coronavirus national team, or something?

In this team, what exactly is your role? Once again, are you a facilitator, a member?

Which is now possible soon?

It was never possible?

Privacy budget? Does it mean you really have a financial budget, or are you talking as a matter for…?

It’s a trust budget with the population?

Are you still working on these issues right now?

Are you doing adjustments? Because most of the systems are in place. They have been introduced, etc. Are you doing improvements on that?

You’re preparing NHI cards to be usable as well for regular purchases out of convenience stores?

Because of the non-…? Sorry.

I’m a bit surprised hearing you talking about privacy like that. People I talked to before, they were like, “Oh, I haven’t really heard her on privacy.”

You mentioned in one interview, very shortly, “Oh, everything is fine. This is just temporarily. We have to use…”

Surveillance in general, but the digital fence, for example.

Maybe you don’t trust people?

Yeah.

My last article happens to be about the lack of a bigger debate on privacy in Taiwan regarding these surveillance measures that have been introduced.

Sorry, you just mentioned GDPR. What did you say?

Are you currently working on that, too?

Where is it at right now in Taiwan?

Let’s stick to the privacy issue when it comes to the fight against COVID-19 and all the new measures that have been introduced. The Taiwan Association for Human Rights, they asked the government for answers about these different surveillance measures. Their request is seven pages.

You think that’s enough? The Taiwanese people are informed enough?

Are you?

What else did you evaluate? What kind of technology solutions?

How would the Bluetooth work? Sorry.

When was that evaluation done?

Before the digital fence system was introduced?

At the time, there was no fence, right?

I’m asking about your evaluation right now.

You would say you’re clearly a privacy advocate?

Do you want to answer the phone?

Absolutely, lots of things. Maybe quickly ask Zach if we could meet a second time, as well, because this is going to be a bigger…

If you don’t mind.

Maybe you have a say in that, too, I hope.

No?

Really not?

Basically, he is your boss?

That’s interesting. I hope we can meet again. Let’s go quickly through some questions towards the end, maybe.

Quickly, on this privacy issue, because that’s a very interesting topic to many people in Europe especially, have you read that study by Vice Premier Chen Chi-mai and others, Howard Jyan, recently on contract tracing?

What did you ask them?

That’s good enough for you?

Because I was surprised, reading that study, how they managed to know who out of these more than 600,000 traced people went to see a doctor later for respiratory syndrome.

I also asked, I can’t say who, two people directly involved how they did it. They couldn’t really explain it to me, or they wouldn’t explain it to me. It was weird answers.

NHI Cards, they don’t contain mobile phone numbers?

The government didn’t check each individual clinic’s registration system to know? Apparently they did.

How can you centralize this data for more than 600,000 people?

Or who was traced after the Princess Diamond.