我稍微自我介紹一下，我9月有去聯合國。

我過去做很多是用系統思考、系統變革的方式，把多方利害關係人放在一起，讓大家可以collect action，也有做聯合國顧問，像SDG的mapping。

這一次也有幫GSG，他們想說用systems mapping的方式，把整個impact investment ecosystem，可以用causal loop的方式map起來，將來可以用這個方式來coordinate collective action，我們已經做了第一版，也有一個report，今年在India就已經有發表。

現在在想有更多實際可操作的，就是可以在這個map 讓所有人知道在自己哪一個位置上，可以共同創造一個ecosystem for impact investment，這是一個on going跟他們的連結，我想說可以幫臺灣建立我們自己的map、多方利益關係人，用這個來engage多方利益關係人的systemic approach。

所以很重要的是要建立一個network，而這個network，在founding的時候，怎麼建立network leaders so we have a similar language，我個人的想法是，既然我有做這個mapping，how can we also bring it here in Taiwan，我們有自己的map，用這個map來做collective action的策略。

這一次我們籌備會議……

以前是用英語比較多，現在華語好一點。

For, yeah, creating the map with them.

We don’t know yet. This is in the process.

They have interest in making it more expanded. We’re talking about it, and I want to find a prototype site. We’re interested in Taiwan.

That’s right.

Totally.

This is a national plan?

For four years. Then you’re saying in the coming year, you’ll be focusing on developing the social impact measurement from each ministry?

That each ministry will take a certain...

...role, according to SDG.

Got it. Just a quick question. I am aware that Taiwan also have the National Council for Sustainable Development.

I see.

Got it. I’m also curious, is this mapping mostly mapping the issue, what are the issues in Taiwan in education, and trying to match the development plan to address those issues?

I see, interesting. I’m hoping there is some kind of synergy, because this work is about mapping the issue, very systemic challenges facing in Taiwan. Then you’re matching those with various civic society...

...and social enterprise who have solutions to address those issues. You’re matching that. I think what we are trying to do is then going another layer, which is the financial capital...

Social financing, how they can finance various social enterprise to address those issues. That’s the...

I think...

That’s wonderful as a background. You asked about what the one-year outcome is together. What I’m envisioning is Taiwan’s national plan for impact investment. I think that’s what NAB is tasked to do, is to develop our national strategy for how we’re going to build an ecosystem for impact investment.

It’s a plan. It’s both a strategy, but also, I think they will be down to this action plan. If we just follow from GSG’s mandate, the goal is this national plan will specify how we will help reach the tipping point end of 2020.

I would envision, we want to create a draft plan, and then ideally, we are ready to apply the membership with the GSG, right?

I haven’t really put too much thought into what that structure would look like. I think part of it will be co-created with the group.

Yeah, probably...

Yeah, probably something similar. I would envision the map, that we’ve been talking about that. Systems map was somewhere in here. They help guide. All this are different parts.

It would be good to have a shared picture of how all are interconnected.

I see. We already have a...?

This, what we’re trying to do, could potentially help.

I see, OK. Your timeline, you say that...

In a few weeks.

The plan’s already been drafted?

Not just...

Then how do we envision this work, as we go through this process, picking to convene the finance stakeholder, and developing the national plan, this plan? I’m just thinking about how might we connect...

I think, from our side, what we are planning is, we will have this initial meeting. We will see who is interested in coming to the core team, the core group. The goal is to co-develop a national plan for impact investment using the systems mapping approach to engage and convene the stakeholders.

Once we have the list of stakeholders, we will probably need to have a process of beginning to, through interview or through some kind of mapping, to map out the national strategy. I can envision sometime down the road, we will have a stakeholder workshop, using the map as a tool to convene the stakeholders to identify the leverage points.

That will be the input for our national strategy for the impact investment.

Yes, that’s this. This is a larger planning process. My understanding also on Ray is that there will already be some project going on concurrently, like the SIBB, Social Impact Bond and Barriers.

For this process, as we convene stakeholders and co-create our national plan for impact investing, we will be prepared to apply for...

I think they will offer some kind of guidance in the preparatory phase. Either some kind of template documents we could follow, some kind of advice along the way. This is where, because I have a connection with them on this previous project.

I would like to continue to use that, while mapping that more generic map, but then can apply in that context.

Yes.

Actually, I’m just, there’s a practical issue. For this, some kind of convenient process. I don’t know what Ray thinking about. In the future, we might need to set up some kind of board, some kind of committee, some kind of...

Yeah.

I’m curious, when this gets developed in the future, I don’t know about the plan here. If there is some sort of budget, funding, are there some resource available for supporting this type of work?

I see, got it.

I see.