It’s still hard. It’s not just a matter of saying, "Hey, we’re going to do this," and then we do it. Then you have to convince people day by day, person by person, including the people you want to participate.

I hear what you’re saying that you don’t want to be too strident in what you’re trying to say and do because we want to continue the conversation and bring people along. This has been terrific. Thank you so much for giving and being generous with your time. We would love to have a proper interview and would love to look at, if you would send along links and Samson could help me translate. [laughs]

It’s their argument.

That’s a start. [laughs]

I’m going to say, start from where you are, right? [laughs]

Great, this is terrific. Thank you again.