Nice to see you at least [laughs] through a computer, but it’s like live. I wanted to go a bit further because you brought me a lot of interesting datas.

I would like now to have some quotes I could use and to know you better. I read you are working a lot on VR, virtual reality. Could you tell me a bit more about that?

Oh, yeah. I read that you went on a few interviews. You said something I found quite particular. You went to sleep with your VR headset, and you were watching the sunset from a moon of Pluto . That was kind of cool. [laughs] I can’t wait to get one of those. Do you use VR in your experiments about democracy ?

It’s a bit like the picture the Blue Marble, that sparked environmental activism...

Is that something we could draw? Do you want to bring a global sense of citizenship, or to make humans feel that they are now connected ?

Through civic technologies, we could maybe unite our people better, for large-scale things like climate change, would you say?

Your official title is minister of cyberspace?

You told me that your proposal is more like to implement a method about discussion than to go towards some goals. Could you elaborate a bit about that?

How do we get people to spend their time participating in the civic life, instead of the current way, which involves voting only every few years?

As of now, how much does Taiwanese people use these tools?

Is vTaiwan inspired by the concept of liquid democracy?

To sum up quickly about the process of vTaiwan, first was it Polis, and then you go...

So far, what would be the greatest success of this method?

It’s kind of a consensus at the end.

OK, looks pretty clear. You don’t use tools like Loomio?

Is that Polis or no?

Oh, yeah, Discourse. Next, what else do we have for you?

I’m reading off my notes. Inside the government, you have applied this way of working. So far, what’s the reception of these methods among other ministers?

Did you get inspired by other countries first to go towards digital democracy?

Yeah.

Other examples that got you into thinking, "OK, it’s possible to do that," like maybe Iceland or Podemos.

Would it be right to say : yourself, you’re part of a new generation, a bit like the folks of the Pirate Party in Germany and so on. Are we facing the rise of Internet activists now in the political sphere?

You described yourself as a conservative anarchist, so if I get it right...

It’s because you want to keep and protect the original anarchy of...

...the Internet. Myself, I’ve been using the Internet since the year 2000. I see what you mean, eventually something is missing. You don’t really meet people you don’t know on Internet anymore.

With your work, that’s something -- I don’t know how to say it -- nostalgia of the first bulletin boards and so on, something where we can find ideas for the future.

What do you think about using new technologies that can enable the contribution of people like, I read about it, what’s its name... it’s a program that can subvert a traditional organization by ... it’s with Primavera De Filippi.

I’m sorry, I forget the name. it’s based on the blockchain, and it’s for organizations to distribute work for doing tasks. Backfeed. Do you know about Backfeed?

Backfeed.cc. Spreading consensus -- a social operating system for decentralized organizations.

I was wondering, was that the kind of thing you would explore, ways of decentralizing everything.

You think cryptocurrencies could help this trend of decentralizing?

You mentioned the uniform resource identifier. What is that about ?

Maybe we can go a bit on the topics of philosophy and code. From what I read about you, it’s something that’s really mixed together, joining philosophical concepts, putting them through...

What were your main influences, maybe as thinkers you read?

Yeah. What was influential in your way of thinking about the world, this way that you can transpose that surreal and cut through...?

That’s those books you read on Project Gutenberg, right?

[laughs] That’s great reads for a kid when you’re starting. Talking about your parents, they were OK with your choice of dropping school at 13?

That’s funny, because there’s always so many TED talks about people who are now dropping school and saying, "I can’t dedicate myself." You were pretty in advance.

Let’s see on the biography. You made your first startup at the age of 15?

It was a search engine in Chinese?

This first startup, you left it at 17?

Then you became a consultant for Silicon Valley companies.

You worked at Apple.

With Apple. Oh yes, sorry. I did the research.

Yes. It’s funny, because I knew you would not like this. Which other businesses?

There is just a question. In 2001, when there was the dot com bubble, were you affected by this? Because before that, the world was hoping a lot for the promises of digital technologies, and then there was a phase of doubt.

In 2005, you decided to change your name and gender.

Now do you define yourself as a woman, or both.

That’s very cool. As you became the first minister with both gender, what’s your feeling for the LGBTQ community, do the press...

I had another question totally unrelated. What would be your analyze of the difference between the Sunflower Movement and the Hong Kong Movement...