We know Taiwan’s done a great job with the pandemic response. Can you tell us what Taiwan has excelled in the most?

Taiwan suffered immensely during the SARS pandemic. How do you think that experience has informed our current response?

Speaking about the different measures that we took, can you tell us a little bit more about cell phone tracing and how that worked? I know in the US for example…

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It’s on their actual personal phone, right?

Cool. This one’s not on the script, but I was actually curious because you recently signed the IDEA Democracy thing.

Can you tell us more about that?

Thank you. You did talk a little bit about grassroots efforts on the part of the Taiwanese people. Can you share with us a little more of what Taiwanese have done to help the government during this pandemic?

To help each other, yeah.

Basically, these were hackers or independent programmers who…

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Basically, we can see that in Taiwan people are very willing to work with the government because we guarantee the privacy of the individual citizen.

In the US, for example, or in other Western countries, we see a lot of people refusing to collaborate with the government because of their personal rights or what they perceive as a violation of privacy. How do you think Taiwan has dealt with this?

Tell me a little bit about the data that we collect to figure out where people are during this quarantine.

Basically, we’re using preexisting data that is already being widely collected, and then just reusing that data in a way that we can help our pandemic prevention?

Cool. It’s the same all around the world? Other countries, other telecom companies are also collecting this data already?

Nice. I’m trying to think, basically, we’re using these methods that are preexisting to help our pandemic efforts. If other countries wanted to adopt similar measures, what would you suggest?

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What advice would you have for other leaders around the world so that their citizens don’t have to endure a lockdown or a shelter-in-place?

Basically, how you say something is just as important, or more important, than what you’re saying?

Basically, we want to empower citizens to be able to work with lawmakers to find a solution together?

Are there countries that have taken advantage of the resources that you were speaking about?

Oh, cool.

Nice. Are there any other countries? I know you mentioned that the blueprints are now online and everything. Is that being put to use?

These are municipalities in Japan?

Cool. Can you explain a little bit what you mean by first-track and zero-track diplomacy?

That pre-WHA, what countries were part of that?

You would say that the zero-track diplomacy is actually more efficient, then?

I’m guessing if you’re talking with higher-level ministers, then they’re actually in positions of power the way that they can actually affect policy and things like that.

Do you ever run into troubles when you’re dealing with the higher-level ministers? I’m guessing that they’re not trained epidemiologists. Do you have issues with communicating with them in this way, or do you think it’s OK?

Currently, in the world today, we still have cities like Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco, who are still experiencing high rates of mortality. Do you think that the Taiwan model is able to help places like this?

Thanks so much for taking the time today. Really appreciate it. I think I got the answers that I came to look for. Thank you so much, Audrey, really appreciate it.

We did our best.

Oh. Everyone should be like, “Here is a better one.”

Uh-huh.

You set up the meeting and figured everything out.

Yep, he is. He’s very independent.

I’m a terrible bureaucrat. If it were me, I would just be like, “I don’t know what’s going on.”

Yeah. I’ve actually brought up Pol.is with AGOT a couple times. They went and researched it, but it seems a little technically difficult.

To set up, yeah.

I think you’re going to it, right?

It’ll be available. For example, if we’re AGOT, we’re not an NGO or anything. We’re just a group of people who are like, “Hey, we would like to help Taiwan.”

Oh, OK, cool.

Oh, it’s different branding.

Also, we had a couple questions about the Pol.is results.

I’ll definitely retweet.

Is that information available to the government when they start voting? If they’re like, “You need to vote seven times to be counted”?

It seems like the average amount so far has been three or four votes.

Write their own thing.

You guys are going to put a more…