Just ask the questions.
Take it easy, take it easy. Minister is really nice. Don’t worry, he’s not a typical…
Why do you not mention fake news?
That’s very interesting.
PPPP, you follow that.
Cannot be trusted by the public.
What made this kind of fact-check…
Fact-check.
Humor over rumor, very interesting term.
Can you give a example how humor over rumor…?
Can you pass this to us? That’s a kind of a…
[laughs]
A great example. [laughs]
Zongchai is a Mandarin pronunciation. In Mandarin, we say 總柴, similar to Zongchai. It’s a trusted…
Trusted CEO.
It’s similar as the…
Who made this kind of a humor…
I heard about them.
Can you name a few you feel is…
How do we deal with that?
It’s not part of official sector.
Social sector.
I do have a question. I really appreciated the social-sector-first approach but, in our society, not to mention other country yet, actually, it’s an imbalance, the power relation between society and the state.
You know. State is always stronger so far. You are the strongest social leaders in the past, but right now, you are in government. [laughs] This imbalance of relationship between the state and the society, if the government intentionally distribute disinformation, what the social…
What can social sector do? We really encounter this kind of problem. [laughs]
[laughs] Yeah, literally.
Not for the formal interview.
Not into the recorder.
You want to share with the…
…Indonesia country? We need to write a report. [laughs]
