Recently you have wowed Japan and the rest of worldwide with your leadership on the coronavirus crisis. You have made amazing system of mask map and supplying them fairly and immediately. I have heard that there was a system that combined the wisdom of young civilians, software engineers. What do you think three key factors in your success of this mask map project?

Three “F”s?

Yeah, very cute.

The idea of social innovation, you realizing that kind of system, brings a new way of thinking. What is the obvious difference between the old-style way of working and the new style of working, do you think?

How do you think that the relationship between company organizations or employers and individuals will change in this coming feature?

I think it’s very different from the past. Maybe 20 years or even 10 years ago, the lifetime employment system is quite common here in Japan. Is it different from Taiwan?

OK. You said that it is important for everyone, regardless of nation or culture, to take various opinion in order to survive on the Earth as one team forever. I think terms like inclusion, or diversity, equality are bit too trendy. I think they are kind of get-out-of-jail-free card words. What does inclusion mean to you in your theory?

Good. Thank you. How did you come up with the idea? Did you have any experience to be conscious about inclusion or diversity?

When you were 14?

Excluded, yeah. Did your decision to leave school at 14 shock your family? I have read your parents and grandparents were opposed to your plan to teach yourself at home and start a new business.

Headmaster told your dad and mom that you were ok.

Was they very, you said anxious, worried, but were they very understanding to your decision?

so you got through with a practical way and you yourself cultivated your way.

Good. I think you always get closed to the socially vulnerable and the minority. How do you think you have developed this perspective? From your own experience?

From your heart?

Thank you. When you were in school before you become 14, did you feel any stress or find any difficulty to get along with your friends because you were hyper intelligent and maybe you’re different from others?

Did they say any bad things to you because you are different I think from other ordinary children?

Ok, so you are not afraid of being different from others.

Good.

The reason why I asked about these kind of questions, there is pressure to conform for Japanese children. So children rarely say how they truly think and try to be the same, same too. I’m wondering if the same things are happening in Taiwanese society?

Good. Sounds really good. You said you couldn’t express your feeling, and it was very stressful. Now what makes you feel stressed, I wonder? You look always happy and you are yourself. Any stressful things are there?

Now, now.

Sorry.

Eight hours.

Good. Usually people can’t get eight hours to sleep. That’s why people are stressful.

[laughs]

You start a brand new day every day because of your sleep.

Ok, sorry I ask you about your teenage years again. Whose advice was the most helpful in your teenage years when you quit school or after going to Germany?

Whose advice was most useful or helpful?

Oh, good. Is it the head teacher of Taiwanese high school?

Thank you. I have heard you learned the importance of the teamwork when you were in Germany. I wonder, what kind of experience did you have in Germany?

Football?

After your surgery, have you restarted?

No soccer. Too hard for you?

Do you like the team sport basically?

So the experience playing football, is it connected to the experience now you are in the team or working with people?

It’s like a strategy making working with people. When you return to Taiwan from Germany, did you have any sort of, “I want to do this in the future,” or, “I want to do this for Taiwan,” or any prospect?

Good. From your experience?

I have heard that you were greatly influenced by the hacker culture of the ‘90s when I think you were junior high school student maybe?

What did you learn from the hacker culture?

Hacker ethics.

Are there any teachers, or just you learned from…?

I think I’ll check it out. You seem to learn everything from your own experience. What does learning mean to you? Is it your life itself? What do you say?

Purpose-based learning. People always missed the purpose to [laughs] learn, like just to aim to get high scores or feel like a competition.

So there are difference between the individualistic purpose and common purpose?

You think…

Thinking about the common purpose, what are the new ability and qualities required of today’s teenagers? Maybe, they will work with different people.

Oh good. Is empathy different from sympathy, more on purpose?

That’s feeling.

Trying to being others to understand them.